![]() 08/06/2014 at 15:15 • Filed to: daily turismo, blog, mazda rx-7 | ![]() | ![]() |
The FD generation Mazda RX-7 was built from 1991-2002 and is in my opinion the best looking of all Mazda vehicles. Imagine for a minute that you've got $15k burning a hole in your pocket; obviously you are going to buy an FD, but do you want it bone stock or LS1'd?
Some are turned off by its amoeba/jelly bean styling, but personally, I think it kicks the butt of any 90s Japanese supercar from an aesthetics perspective. Performance was good too. While reliability is the only real blemish on the FD's report card, you can find low-mile examples that just need regular maintenance for years of happy drifting driving. Tips and feature suggestion from Rene C.
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The curvy Japanese styling, a front mid-ships layout and a turbocharged Wankel rotary engine is a fantastic combination, except for the horrible reliability of a rotary multiplied by the abysmal record of a 90's turbocharger. If you want something original, your best bet is to find an extremely low mile example or something with a rebuilt engine. The costs of rebuilding the original 2-rotor has led many owners to drop in something from the Chevrolet small block V8 family — for an upgrade in power/durability at the expense of character. Maybe. A V8 powered RX-7 will certainly have some character.
Up first is this !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! purchased new in Lakeland, Florida back in 1993 by a young lady who loved her with all of her heart. She drove it regularly short distances and always kept it stored in the garage. The odometer reads 35k miles and it looks believable since there are no door dings, bumper bashes or illest stickers on it.
Under the hood is 13B-REW twin-turbocharged twin-rotor, which is rated at 252 horsepower and 217 ft-lbs of torque when mated to the 4-speed automatic in the Touring version of the FD. The inclusion of the dreaded slushbox will probably deter many buyers, but for the few who just want to putt around, the bidding shouldn't get too high.
This next FD is an Incredible Hulk to the previous car's Bruce Banner — it is a !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! offered for $17,500 buy-it-now or best offer on ebay, located in Bryantown, MD with 4 days to go. Not only does this one look lowered, but it rides on some 18" Fikse alloys, and has one of the worlds biggest fart can mufflers poking out from the rear bumper.
This modified FD also started life as a touring model with the 4-speed gearbox, but sometime around the 15k mile range, the original Wankel gave up the ghost and an LS1 from a 2004 GTO was swapped into it. The seller has bumped up the go factor by bolting in some aftermarket parts and claims the car was dyno'd at a healthy 363 hp and 375 ft-lbs to the pavement.
If it was my money...I think I'd take the LS1 version, but only because of the clutch pedal — a low mile manual for the same money would be hard to pass up. What would you pick? Comments below.
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![]() 08/06/2014 at 15:18 |
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Correction. It's the second best looking Mazda vehicle ever, right after the Mazda Bongo.
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I'd opt for the swapped only because of the manual, but normally I would always go stock on an RX7. Because questionable factory reliability + modifications that you were not involved with = scary. lol Also, like you said, this is one of the most beautiful Japanese cars from the 90s (and all time). I would love a stock one.
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Stock + Manual swap. LS swaps are for FC IMO.
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LS1-RX-7, hands down. That car has a bulletproof powertrain that won't require apex seal replacement anytime in the future. Although I prefer LS7 RX-7's (going with a 7's theme), I'll take a healthy LS1! Also, since it's already down the modified road, I won't feel as bad as modifying/hooning a FD as I would in that mint car.
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crapped out at 15k miles, yeah I don't want the rotary thanks
but I'd be far more into a small "import" engine, like the S2000's F20c or Nissan's Sr20 in place of the LS please
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I would take neither.
Low miles and stock doesn't matter—the slushbox sucks.
The wheels and such on the LS-swapped car look good, but I wouldn't want the LS swap. There's nothing wrong with it, but to me the screaming powerband of the turbo rotary is part of the character of the car. If I wanted an LS-swapped RX-7, it would be with an FC.
I may be on my way to check out this bone-stock 1993 RX-7 R1 (stiffer suspension, strut tower brace, front lip spoiler, cloth interior, sunroof delete, fog lights delete) with ~ 3250 miles on it painted in lovely PMY.
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If I can't do anything to the car, I'd take the original. That stupid muffler is reason enough for me to say no.
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Third best! Don't forget the Cosmo.
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Seconded, on all counts.
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Oh, that is glorious.
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I stand corrected...
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Modified.
It's a beautiful car, but it just looks right with nice wide wheels filling the fenders. You can't leave the engine stock because it is in dire need of upgrades to reduce heat under the hood and improve reliability...which includes a big front mount intercooler...which means you most likely will need a different front bumper to permit more airflow.
This car, to me, is gorgeous and just about perfect.
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This is a silly comparison. Borderline absurd...
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I want is LSx'd
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I am still not a big fan of swapping a V8 into a RX7 and RX8. It seems like it removes what makes the car unique.
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Combine the two and make one real RX-7.
If you want an LS powered car, buy an LS powered car.
The fart can and rims also look like crap.
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Sure, but it is not an RX-7 anymore. Why have and RX without the R?
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Once comes with infinite more scene points bruh. Breakin' necks all up at my local chipotle car meet....
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I dunno, I always liked the Eunos Cosmo. Imagine this with a V8 swap and a 6 speed. Yum.
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It's only stock once.. and there are plenty of pussified men who would jump at the chance to own an RX-7 as their weekend car, but can't be bothered to learn how to drive a manual. Show up with $10K in cash and it's a done deal.
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I'll take an auto rotary over a boat anchor manual. Thanks.
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I'll have the LS1 car, but return it to stock-appearance.
First thing to go are the stretched tires. And who puts a fart-can on an LS1?
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Those headlights are god awful ugly.
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Or you could do this...
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It is now an LSX-7
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I fully plan on buying a RX-7 within the next year after I sell my house and profit. But it will be neither an autotragic nor an LS-1 Abomination. In the meanwhile....
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Yeah... in this case, I would go with the one with the V8 swap... but I would prefer a stock one with a manual.
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I am backing your initial claim, maybe even going further. The Bongo is very good looking, but the FD is a pinnicle in automotive design. It is, by a good sized margin, my favorite car to look at. Current or past.
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Owning an RX7 is like owning a boat. The best days are the day you buy it, and the day you sell it. That's one project I'll never do again.
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"Oh, that is glorious."
No... if it was, then it would be a Nissan...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Gl…
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I like those too, but needs moar manual and moat 20B. Because who cares about getting 8MPG.
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Jesus that last photo looks like the future - easily the most amazing 90s interior I've seen in a while. Car is unusually handsome.
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Do some research on the swap before making statements like this. The LS1 adds very little weight.
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I'll take the LS powered one.
You know what they say about boosted rotaries, boost goes in apex seals come out.
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My 'boat anchor' statement was aimed more at the technology than the weight.
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LS1 everything
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"multiplied by the abysmal record of a 90's turbocharger."
My 16 year old, OEM TD04HL laughs heartily at that statement and will still be laughing another 100k down the road
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unicorn? is that you?
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F22 in place of the wankel... I like where this is headed...
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I like the idea here, but the problem with buying cars like this one are that they require almost as much work to get running again as one that's been driven into the ground.
I'd take one like this with 150k on the odo and well documented maintenance any day over one with 3k.
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I love a good FD, but putting a V8 into a car that came with a rotary just defeats the purpose of the car. And the cost of a rebuild should be cheaper than the cost of putting a V8 into it.
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It's a good looking example, but I can't get behind a car with knockoff aero.
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I'd take a rotary, but I'd get one with a stick.
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swap the fart can for a Flowmaster and im in.
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Here's my "perfect" example of a tastefully modded FD. Suspension, wheels, and a few minor engine mods.
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Isn't it nice? This is one of my personal favorite 90s JDM cars. I may have to snag one as a project one of these days. If I could find a nice 20B I'd take it in a heartbeat.
It was the future! Check out the high tech (for 1991) touchscreen
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Very sweeet indeed!
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I've been checking norotors.com for years now and hopefully in a couple more I hope to be able to pick up an already swapped clean FD RX7. The really clean ones though definitely command a premium.
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1st best:
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This is just beyond over-engineered - so many incredibly ridiculous adjustments for audio, climate, etc. This thing was a luxury car through and through. The only thing that would stop me from importing one is no stick shift and everything is in Japanese.
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Dat ass....
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Between these two, I'd likely go modified, but only because of the transmission. If the RX-7's rotary is like the RX-8, it likely needs to be revved to be healthy, which the auto probably won't allow, at least not as often. And really, with that engine, if you're not revving it, what's the point? Really though, I'd rather seek out a nice used one with the rotary still in place and a manual transmission. Wouldn't mind if it had some modifications, but the rotary would have to still be in place.
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A boat anchor may be simple but it does its job very well.
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That car with regular FD headlights would be the best.
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RX-7s are one of those cars that pictures can't do justice. I always thought they were kind of bland until I saw one sitting across an intersection from me this past Fall. It was beautiful.
I'd take the stock one and swap out the rotary and auto for a nice I6 / V6 with a 5- or 6-speed stick. I've wanted an RX-7 for some time (B, C, or D will do just fine), but only if I can swap in an engine that's more reliable and better on gas. Probably something from a contemporary Honda, Toyota, or Nissan.
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I'd go for an R26B because racecar and a standard RX7 doesn't eat enough apex seals.
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No way! I pass the stock one everyday on my way to work. Its sitting in an empty parking lot. I stopped to check it out the other day, beautiful car. If anyone purchases it I'd gladly deliver it to you, because who doesn't want to take a mint RX-7 on a road trip?
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You have a good point. Realistically if I were to get an FD, I'd hesitate to buy one that's bone stock and super low mileage, because I would want to drive it and mod it. Nothing crazy, but it makes sense to get one that doesn't have quite as much of its value tied up in remaining stock and low mileage.
I'm also generally not the type to drive around a PMY car, but hey you never know.
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I learned to drive stick on a red-on-tan '93 FD that belonged to my uncle. He traded it for an RX-8 because the 7 "started giving him trouble" (no shit) I have never forgiven him!
Stunningly beautiful car, and just about perfect (when it runs).
I'm a preservationist, so I'm gonna have to say "stock." However, JDM parts are cool as long as they're OEM.
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Holy crap, what is that I need one.
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Isn't it glorious? The list of JDM cars I want in my garage is fairly massive, but this is near the top. If I could find a decent one with the more common smaller rotary, I'd consider a Lexus 4.0 V8 swap with a manual. I'd have to train myself on the Japanese interface, I guess.
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i always liked the fd's styling, i think they look like little c5s. That said i would never consider driving a rotary around.
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That car has regular FD headlights. See the popups? The bumper lights are also stock '99-spec with FEED lenses.
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Wow, Haven't seen a Bongo that old! I remember the ones from the 80s, and my dad had one from the mid 90s at one point (grew up in Asia) - pretty great utilitarian vans.
Also, a little more sex -
In any case, based on the fine submissions in the responses to your post, I believe we can conclude that the RX-7 was the UGLIEST car ever made by Mazda :P
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And with a ride height higher than an ant mound.
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Eunos was Mazda's luxury brand in Japan. The Cosmo was the touring flagship. You could get your choice of twin sequential turbo rotary engines, one of which was actually a triple rotor, which Mazda hasn't done since. 0-60 was somewhere in the 6's. Had the first factory GPS system in a car, and was generally just way ahead of its time. They made less than 10,000 of them.
It's also gorgeous, in my opinion. The styling has aged really well, even in the interior. It's definitely a 90s car but not in a bad way.
Here's a fantastic Best Motoring Super Fun Film Time for it.
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If you were picking one up for the first time, I would get the stock version. At least there you know what the baseline is before you start to modify it. And modding it is nessasary if you plan on keeping it around for awhile.
I've owned mine for 17yrs now. Picked her up with 48k km's on the clock. Bone stock. And it was the PEP model not the ever popular Touring model.
After owning her for this long, she now sits at 156k on the clock. On her 2nd engine (due to unforseen circumstances beyond my control), single turbo (for better reliability), coilovers, full exhaust and a variety of other little things one changes on a vehicle for this long.
Mind you, she looks completely stock on the outside. It's under the skin where things have changed.
It's a beautiful machine and one which I will never get rid of. She's been with me since I was 19. She's not going anywhere anytime soon. :-)
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yeah, mufflers are soooooo difficult to swap out.
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if you want insane horsepower, take a PPRE engine instead of an Ls-x, because race engine
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spot on! Honestly the rotary engine is the biggest reason why I'd never buy an RX7. It's an engine that great in theory, but terrible in the reality we live in.
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Wow. After your info and a bit of internetting about it, I am counting the months until the 25 year period is up. Amazing car. Would love to see one in the USA.
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Easy choice for me: LS1. I've noticed people posting why not rb26, Sr20 ect. The problem Is height. The LS is a really small engine for it's internal displacement. An RB or a 2J would necessitate a domed hood. Ugh.
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gotta have that official Mazdaspeed front bumper!
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If I still live in the US when it turns 25, I'm selling my GTI for one. It'll probably be more reliable anyway :P
Otherwise I'll import one to the Netherlands and just stare at it, knowing I'll never be able to afford to drive it anywhere.
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Who puts a fart can on a car with an LS?
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A car that I still lust to this day. I have yet to own one and cry to bed with the drama a wankel engine will give to me.
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It's stupid to only want the swapped one because of the stick shift. The T-56 is not a great transmission, strong but not refined. Swap a stick shift into the rotary car and be done with it if you can't appreciate what the V8 brings to the table.
I had a 2nd gen with an LS1 swap. Only 300hp, but the power delivery was so predictable and consistant I loved it. Still miss that car, and although my RSTI has way more power and about the same weight, I'm still getting used the power delivery.
This post makes me want to make another swapped RX7 :)
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It's great for racing, the local SCCA region has a duo of FC RX-7s in Improved Touring S that will walk the entire field of Z-cars, V6 Mustangs, TR8, and hopped up Miatas.
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Correction, it was produced from 1993 - 2002. 1991 was the last US FC3s. 1992 was the Infini IV FC3s special edition in Japan.
As for stock vs modified, I'd want a stock one, a stock R1. It's important to keep a few stock ones around to understand the original vision for the car. And honestly, with a modern set of tires, I doubt to many people will find this cars limits without a track. The R1 model pull over 1g in the skidpad in 1993 which is mighty impressive.
As for swaps, anyone who swaps out the motor for a non-rotary unit should be drown. It's what makes the car unique, faults and all. I'm going to pass a new law that cars, I deem as awesome, cannot have engines swapped out and replaced by Ford or Chevy V8's unless the car was originally Ford or Chevy. Such a lazy approach. To make this understandable to Jalopnik readers, it's like putting a LS1 in a E30 instead of an S62..it's just wrong.
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Neither, but there's gotta be reliability mods you can do for the rotary engine, aren't there? That said, an engine DESIGNED to consume oil just doesn't sit right with me... an F22C swap perhaps? then you can also get a 6 speed, and one of the best in the biz at that
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It's great for racing while it works. Trust me, I actually like the cars a lot, but the engines just don't last. We've had several at my local Autocross races, but the guys usually end up moving to Miatas or something else because apex seals or some other part failed right after they rebuilt the engine.
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Bastards, that's who.
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Seriously! Just stick on a flowmaster and a chrome tip and call it a day.
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Mostly stock please.
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I want this one in black with the upgraded wheels. Delicious. And after I import one I will have to make friends with a rotary mechanic...
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Pretty conflicted. A low mile, red RX-7 is rare and should be treasured. But it's an auto. I would probably also go for the LS-swap, not only for the clutch pedal, but because that's a lot of pressure to preserve the original one.
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Does look nice in black. I think I want a silver one
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The Furai WAS the best looking Mazda. RIP.
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Problem is that a dohc v6 probably won't fit. The reason you see so many LS swaps is that they are small engines.
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Also nice. Either way, the upgraded modern wheels make the car timelessly beautiful. Hope that the garage isn't the natural habitat for the Mazda rotary...
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Nice timing, a local shop just posted this video.
3rd gen RX7 - LS3 - 427" stroker (4.100" stroke") - t56 6speed transmission
534 rear wheel horsepower on 91 octane
Cnc ls3 cylinder heads
Ls3 intake
Large Custom cam
1-7/8" longtube headers
90mm tb
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=94…
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That body kit needs to be melted down, stat.
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Personally for me, I would buy the bone stock car. I'd rather modify it myself, than trust someone else's work and ethics. I'm not sure that I'd drop a V8 in her, I think I'd look into a TT straight 6. More $$, but different, and easier on the gas than a V8... In my opinion. (assuming I could get a I6 to fit in that engine bay)
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Probably is, sadly. I know they're quirky and sound cool, but I'm not a huge rotary fan.
I like the idea of a 1Uz-FE swap. You'd still have a nice smooth cruiser with the added bonus of reliability and low end torque. Though some may see it as sacrilege to stick a Toyota engine into a Mazda... I think it would suit the character of the car better.
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Dem wheels! Whoa.
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Reliability is only a problem if you don't take care of the car. The RX-7 has never been a car that you can just neglect, that's what Malibu's are for.
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Only made it 15k before it blew up? Ouch :|
I could never have an rx-7 unless there was a rotary under the hood so.....I guess the Supra wins lol
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That hood looks like it could fit a twin turbo Mercedes V12.
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BONE STOCK for me, thanks.
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LS1, definitely.